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11th October 2008, 10:23 PM
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have you tried Malwarebytes ??
Update before running Dotty
post a hjt for Kevin let him check
So many hidden rootkits now its unreal
bangs her head
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11th October 2008, 10:38 PM
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Well I thoroughly disagree that tracking cookies are not an issue. I would agree they are not serious but I have seen pc's loaded with over 300 cookies run like a snail, though it is questionable whether or not they are a serious problem in terms of spyware but isn't it curious that only 1 program does not scan for tracking cookies and every other program does?
As for Spyware Terminator, I thought it was a neat program, until it started slowing me down and pointing to everything and anything as a threat so I trashed it.
I have my doubts that Sas, or any other program really run in the background preventing spyware from entering, but the paid version can allow you to scan daily and I think that is a good idea since I don't see much stopping spyware threats as they do virus threats from entering your system.
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11th October 2008, 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Blackmirror have you tried Malwarebytes ??
Update before running Dotty
post a hjt for Kevin let him check
So many hidden rootkits now its unreal
bangs her head | I do have the programme but haven't run it for a while, I'll do so tomorrow as the whole issue is driving me mad!
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11th October 2008, 10:42 PM
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Oh Rich
we have been here before
More than once Quote:
Originally Posted by Dotty I do have the programme but haven't run it for a while, I'll do so tomorrow as the whole issue is driving me mad!  | Did you see my thread
My dusty Cpu fan lol Advent 3212 PC 
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Last edited by Daveskater; 12th October 2008 at 08:56 PM.
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11th October 2008, 11:05 PM
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just seen it! too techie for me!  I'd prefer just to cut and run to Morrisons
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12th October 2008, 07:15 AM
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If we start condemning companies for detecting cookies we will eliminate nearly all of the virus/malware scanners available to us. Cookies while not dangerous do fall into the issue of privacy which is another debate all unto itself. Pressure from users who want them off of their computers are part of the reason they are detected and removed. It's not just the vendors but the consumers as well that see them as a threat.
I also don't see a company claiming they are the best as an issue. It's called marketing. MBAM has it's faults as well but I won't go into that here. That's not what this thread is about.
Last edited by evilfantasy; 12th October 2008 at 07:19 AM.
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12th October 2008, 07:41 AM
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I'm not going to bash/praise one malware program or another here, but want to share an experience I had a few years back with a particular nasty virus.
I had several layers of protection using the "best" software, or so I was told, to prevent infection.
In the end all this protection failed and I didn't want to lose all my files and data with a reformat.
I decided to try the free service of a malware fighter, at another forum as this one didn't exist at the time, and that person killed the virus and saved my data.
Kudos  to you evilfantsy and other malware fighters as the last line of defense against malware.
When a malware fighter says to use a program I sit up and take notice. | 
12th October 2008, 10:06 AM
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I don't think you can point SAS as the only program that picks up cookies, since most of them do.
I don't personally use SAS -- and I know of a few Malware Fighters who don't like it either -- not totally sure why.
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12th October 2008, 11:29 AM
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The thing with tracking cookies is, have you given anyone permission to track what you do on the Internet? No? Me neither.
That means the tracking cookies are invading your privacy without your consent and must be considered bad and unwanted.
SAS is about the best software for getting rid of them.
Donna says that their information is misleading, that may or may not be the case, I don't know as i don't tend to read information from makers about software, I prefer word of mouth and practical testing.
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12th October 2008, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Blackmirror have you tried Malwarebytes ??
Update before running Dotty
post a hjt for Kevin let him check
So many hidden rootkits now its unreal
bangs her head | hey Donna I did a malwarebytes scan and within 3 minutes it found a worm viking, a trojan agent and a fake dropper of some kind! My computer is now working much better! I just knew there was something wrong although my anti virus prog didn't find anything so I'm changing that too! thanks for your advice, you're a star
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12th October 2008, 07:52 PM
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Look at some recent ComboFix logs. sUBs is adding cookies to the deletions. Is ComboFix misleading malware fighters and the users who run it?
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12th October 2008, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Rik The thing with tracking cookies is, have you given anyone permission to track what you do on the Internet? No? Me neither.
That means the tracking cookies are invading your privacy without your consent and must be considered bad and unwanted.
SAS is about the best software for getting rid of them. | Well, you can choose not to accept cookies -- so really you're given a choice to give sites permission.
I would consider CCleaner the best for cleaning cookies.
I found the thread on why Chris hasn't added it to his sites recommended software list: MalWare Removal • View topic - could you add SAS to the software list? Quote: |
But I have seen so many posts from the owner touting his program on other forums that I would never add it to that recommended list.
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12th October 2008, 08:13 PM
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I see the point he is making and haven't seen anything like that in a while. Marcin doesn't go around "pushing" MBAM but he doesn't have to. MBAM has a built in support/promotions system in the malware fighting community. Quote: |
Originally Posted by ChrisRLG The program is considered not bad.
But I have seen so many posts from the owner touting his program on other forums that I would never add it to that recommended list. | Let me ask this. How many malware fighters do tout MBAM as "the one", and only one? That is no different (to me) then what is complained about with SAS.
And also let me ask this, which is why I started this thread.
Should I remove SAS from the removal guide?
Last edited by evilfantasy; 12th October 2008 at 08:16 PM.
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12th October 2008, 08:23 PM
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I don't use SAS so can't comment.
Good argument, but with MBAM that would just be word of mouth and not the actual site owner spamming forums about his own program. Either way, not my argument to be involved in. | 
13th October 2008, 02:25 AM
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]Oh Rich
we have been here before
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Huh, there you go again with this "Rich". Who is this Rich you think I am. Maybe I should just change my name to Rich as you are relentless?
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13th October 2008, 03:04 AM
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who's Rich?  not me, poor as a church mouse in fact
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13th October 2008, 03:48 AM
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Originally Posted by evilfantasy .And also let me ask this, which is why I started this thread.Should I remove SAS from the removal guide? | NO, DO NOT remove SAS. Can you hear me! evilfantasy 
Why, its still a good program.
Back in the day, when I was doing HJT logs there was Spysweeper and Ewido and now you have Superantispaware and Malwarebytes. Do you see a patteren here?
I offer free tech advice to my co-workerss via a simple combination of free programs which include SAS and MBAM and we have happy co-workers now. Nothing like being a Haz-Mat Construction geek (union member).
Concerning Cookies in SAS, goto Control Center > Scanning Control and uncheck the cookie scan box and/or use a serparate temp cleaner program if needed (ATF-Cleaner or CCleaner) before scanning. Cookies are good with milk.
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13th October 2008, 04:10 AM
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how many spyware programmes should we have? I've already got Spybot, Adaware, MBAM, Spywareblaster, you'd think it was as safe as Fort knox but I still find tons of spyware. I just got rid of SAS as it didn't pick up spyware that other programmes did. I just don't know whether we need so many or not.
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13th October 2008, 04:18 AM
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Hi Dotty.
See here for good tips. So how did I get infected in the first place? By Tony Klein
The best security tool is safe surfing habits. The worst bit of malware known is a piece of hardware known as the mouse...
Click, click, click....OOPs!!!!
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13th October 2008, 04:30 AM
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I see what you mean! You may always think you're surfing safely but that's not always the case, nor is it always easy to spot an iffy site. I'll go through that list for sure, thanks!
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