[Jason]

I'd like to express my views on this news story: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...cle1483955.ece

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As our country gone totally insane? I fear for our country, and it kills me to say that. I was under the impression that no jewelery is allowed. Yet, because she is of a different race, we have to allow her to wear jewelery. Are we really going to let these people take over our country? We certainly can't go to their country and wear shorts and a t-shirt. Hmm... maybe I should go to court about wearing my bracelet. Obviously, because I'm not of a different race, I don't stand a chance. I'm not racist, but this news story sickens me.

We need to stand up to them -- our government is scared of saying no because they fear they will be called racist. To be honest, I couldn't care what they think, this is our country, and they will obey our laws. We are basically letting them rewrite our laws -- we need to make a stand -- and now!!!

I'm sorry if this topic disturbs some people, but I have to express my opinions on this topic. I'm not being racist, nor am I racist -- but this really is a joke and beyond reality.

[Blackmirror]

I wonder whether that is an act of defiance . all teenagers rebel
I have been reading up about the bracelet

A Kara (or Karra) is an iron bangle, worn by both male and female baptized Sikhs is one of the five kakars - external articles of faith that identify a Sikh as dedicated to their religious order. The Kara was instituted by the tenth Sikh guru Gobind Singh at the Baisakhi Amrit Sanskar in 1699.

Perhaps Goku can give us more information about the significance

I hear what you are saying Jason and would it apply to a Cross on a chain if the school pupil were Christian ?
Would they be allowed to wear it ?

[Jason]

To be quite honest with you Blackmirror, I couldn't care less if it is an important part of their religion. The point I'm making is, jewelery is not allowed. Whenever I went into school with a bracelet, necklace ect on, I was asked to remove it and hand it in until the end of the day. Now why is she allowed to wear that, which in my eyes, is the same as a bracelet? Seems as though it's one rule for us, and another for them....

[Goku]

I agree that she should not have argued with the teacher but that doesn't mean she could have handed the teacher her bracelet. She could keep it in her bag, in her locker or even her pocket but giving it to her teacher would hurt her faith, if she had any.

I think that she wanted to brag about some event and thus used the situation to her advantage. That doesn't make you a racist from commenting about it but her a rebel. And if I am right, then the head of the school should have every right to suspend the student by explaining the reasons. Remember Jason, there are here who would fight to death but not remove a locket or ring they have put their faith in but going by the incident, I very much doubt if she was one of them.

-- Goku

[Jason]

The rule is: You are not allowed to wear jewelery whilst in school. But, in September, she will be wearing that bracelet. Now, everyone else will not be allowed to wear a bracelet -- it's just totally unfair. She is living in England, and even though she belongs to a different religion, she has to respect our laws/rules we have in place here. Instead, they are always trying to change our laws!

[Dr Strangelove]

I completely agree with Jason - it's ridiculous!

A group of British Moslems have been trying for years to get their own Parliament, to be run along the lines of Sharia law I guess. Would this include stonings and public whippings.....oh and hand choppings for shoplifters, I wonder?

The country [UK] has become obsessed with political correctness.

[Jason]

The problem is, they've all gone barking mad.

Dr Stranglove, you do bring up an interesting topic there. Muslims come over here, and demand the right to build a mosque to follow their religion. I'm sorry, but this is Britain - we should celebrate our traditions. Instead, they are being washed away and replaced with religions we don't want to celebrate! Christmas will be stopped soon. I guess Enoch Powell was right with his Rivers of Blood speech. Anyway, that's for another topic, and we'll stick to the original topic, as I don't want people getting upset by this topic. Thanks!

[Goku]

Thats bad enough as I have already said. The principal can suspend her from the school stating the reason as lack of compliance with the rules. There is no need to allow her to wear it but she still will be able to keep her faith in pocket. If you think that asking for that is too much, then I think that the rules need to be a little liberalized.

Also Dr. Strangelove, please don't use such heavy sarcasm as it may grossly offend someone. I know you were stating an example but your reference towards Muslim laws was a little harsh.

As we have no rights to comment on your rules, the same applies to you.

No offense meant.

-- Goku

[Blackmirror]

I have the view that the UK is a multi racial community.
We have to be flexible

Thats interesting about Sharia Law . seems we have a connection

According to Professor John Makdisi, the "royal English contract protected by the action of debt is identified with the Islamic Aqd, the English assize of novel disseisin is identified with the Islamic Istihqaq, and the English jury is identified with the Islamic Lafif" in classical Maliki jurisprudence The Islamic Hawala institution also influenced the development of the agency institution in English common law.[Other English legal institutions such as "the scholastic method, the license to teach," the "law schools known as Inns of Court in England and Madrasas in Islam" may have also originated from Islamic law. These influences have led Makdisi to suggest that Islamic law may have laid the foundations for "the common law as an integrated whole

Influence on English common law

It has been suggested that several fundamental English common law institutions may have been derived or adapted from similar legal instututions in Islamic law and jurisprudence, and introduced to England after the Norman conquest of England by the Normans, who conquered and inherited the Islamic legal administration of the Emirate of Sicily

[Dr Strangelove]

The principal cannot suspend her or he will end up in jail. The law has just said that she must be allowed to wear it....like they have recently with veils.

No offence Goku but could I, for example, go to Saudi Arabia and demand to be allowed to drink alcohol?

I am not saying the religions and customs are wrong, just that they shouldn't expect our country to cater to their every whim.

No offence intended Goku.

[Blackmirror]

I couldnt go to Saudi Arabia and drive my car i believe
Women are banned



But Taken from the Saudi Gazette

SHAROURAH – Certain social and economic circumstances in some remote areas have forced women to drive cars ignoring the ban on such driving.
Carrying out life’s necessary chores using a car is a normal practice in many villages in Empty Quarter. Women drive pick-up trucks to carry fodder and goods; some women even have been driving seen water tank trucks,

I think the UK is trying too hard to please everyone ..
Political Correctness gone mad

Wheres Oldie im sure he has a rant for this subject ??

[Goku]

No offense taken Doctor. As I said before, action should have been taken against her and it was indeed wrong to bend in this case. I believe that the schools have a policy and power to suspend a student if he / she does not comply with the school rules. If that is the case, then the student could have easily been expelled with an acceptable reason. I don't know why the authority didn't take the action.

Your example is right but the rules in Muslim countries are stringent for a reasons. They are mainly punishments causing physical pain and suffering to deliver the message and reduce crime. A wrong approach but very effective especially in cities like Dubai.

You are right, every tantrum thrown at, should not be tolerated but some liberalization can be made so that both the parties can settle the matter in an acceptable manner.

Remember, if rules don't bend, they break.

-- Goku

[Oldie]

Excuse me but, are you chaps implying that Britain is a basket case?

[Howard]

Lol Oldie, I think that`s exactly what is being implied and I agree, it is a basket case.

If only people would use common sense, we`d all be a lot better off. Unfortunately, I don`t see too much common sense amongst the pc brigade, so it looks, for now at least like we`re well and truly screwed.

Almost everyone I talk to has an opinion on political correctness and no one I know, thinks it`s a good idea. In fact, everyone I know thinks it`s just plain ridiculous and it makes them angry as it does me.

Regards Howard

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally Posted by Blackmirror

I couldnt go to Saudi Arabia and drive my car i believe
Women are banned

You need a camel methinks.

Political Correctness gone mad

No more "manhole covers" - don't want to upset the wimmin.
No "baa baa black sheep"

[Blackmirror]

Im not getting on a camel
end of story
They bite


Yes its Baa Baa Rainbow sheep now

and what ever happened to Gollys

I loved mine as a girl...

[Oldie]

here you go BM

[Blackmirror]

Reminds me of toast and Marmalade done on the open coal fire

[Joshuashawharvey]

I totally agree with Jason on this one. I am not racist, and I am all for a multicutural society. The problem is, as Jason has said, other cultures are trying to adapt their own laws in our country, but at the same time wiping out our traditions. To me, that is not multicultural, particularly not to us English and British.
I also Agree with Goku, if she had kept her faith in her pocket, then no harm would be done. It always seems to be a 1 way street. We have to respect minorities coming into this country, but they don't have to respect us. PC gone mad! The problem is our government, as Jason has pointed out, is they are scared to say no, due to how we look to other countries if we do, but the reality is, with this current situation, we're the laughing stock of the world. Maybe if the government learned to say no, we would gain more respect, but England especially is just out to be trodden all over, and every minority is taking advantage.