[skaraphoid]

Hello everyone nice to be part of the community!

I recently upgraded my motherboard and processor to try and fit in more with the times (not got alot of cash so i only upgrade when i need to. in this case gta iv had come out. had to get a core 2 duo.
I bought an intel core 2 duo e4600 and a gigabyte s series GA - 965P - DS4.
i have also bought a new dvd drive and 4 usb slots (pci)
once i had connected everything i tested the machine out. the machine turns on with all f_panel sockets connected correctly BUT turns off after about 5 seconds, then starts itself up again and this continues. is anyone wise on the subject?
I have read previous similar posts - however, they seem quite old and i wanted a more bespoke solution.

thank you for your time!
adam

[Daveskater]

Hello and welcome to TST

Did you apply thermal paste to the top of the CPU and the heatsink?

[Blackmirror]

Originally Posted by skaraphoid

Hello everyone nice to be part of the community!


Adam

Well please pop here and say hello and welcome to TST

Introduce Yourself

[Gunner]

So much new stuff it's almost the equivalent of building a machine from scratch.
Can't slap it all together and then pray. Has to be checked as you go.
PSU, mobo/processor, memory stick, video card (if not built-in), monitor and keyboard.
That's bare bones to get a POST...a beep and info on the monitor.
If you can get a POST and it not shut down in seconds, then start adding other
hardware one at a time until it does shut down or keeps on chugging..
If you can't POST or system still dies after seconds, suspect mobo/processor
because, apparently, your PSU did work. (or am I assuming wrong there?)
Hey, have to start somewhere and this is where I'd be.
Good luck.

BTW, I usually check things like this out before even installing them in case.

[skaraphoid]

as it is a dual core processor i have applied a line of pure silver from the bottom to the top in the middle from where the yellow triangle is in the corner. i read instructions on this properly.

i can't plug the mobo speaker in because i haven't got the cable for it. the only new bits are really cpu (defined as processor and ram) and the mobo - the dvd drive for example is red herring (had probken before i installed drive)
i'm pressuming i can still POST as long as i can see the monitor,
well i'll start from scratch. Thanks for the help guys much appreciated.

[Gunner]

A CPU (central processing unit and does not include ram) will get smoking hot
in < seconds if the fan is not working. A simple but very significant item to check.
Good luck.

[Daveskater]

As gunner said, definitely check the fan works alright.

Did you spread the paste on the heat spreader at all? You're meant to apply a very small amount (about half a grain of rice) and then spread it to a thin layer across the surface of the heat spreader.

[skaraphoid]

Originally Posted by Daveskater

As gunner said, definitely check the fan works alright.

Did you spread the paste on the heat spreader at all? You're meant to apply a very small amount (about half a grain of rice) and then spread it to a thin layer across the surface of the heat spreader.

yes every bit that metal touches metal. (between heatspreader and heatsink

CPU is ram as well, central processing unit includes processor and ram. the processor needs ram to process hence why it is central. i'm a computing student and have looked this up. I'll assume you mean just the processor when you say cpu but i'll say each different.

fan works fine. turns itself off like the rest of machine - but the cpu fan turns off first. I've video'd the events how it works i'll post it on youtube so i can show you what happens.

Gunner & Daveskater - Thanks alot for your comments you are great help!

[Daveskater]

You are indeed right there, that the CPU is pretty useless without RAM, but I've always called them separate parts

No problem mate, I suppose we can rule out CPU overheating now!

[Rik]

Firstly CPU and RAM are 2 entirely different entities. A CPU goes in a CPU slot and RAM goes in a RAM slot. CPU's have CACHE RAM aboard them and this may be what you are getting confused about. You absolutely MUST have RAM in atleast 1 RAM slot or the pc won't work.

Also, what make and wattage PSU (Power Supply Unit) do you have? Is it up to the job of powering a C2D CPU?

[Albert Lionheart]

Hi skaraphoid - welcome.
You are making it hard on yourself without a speaker to chedk the POST beeps - beg or borrow one for the duration just to test the board with nothing else connected to it.
One other thing to check is that your PSU is powerful enough to power to new board with the all the other internal hardware as well. If it is less than 400W I would replace it.

[skaraphoid]

hello, it doesn't matter how we define CPU

My psu is 500w Earth Watts power supply - the motherboard requires only 300. This begs the question is the processor too good for the motherboard? The researched answer: no. I have been on gigabytes website and my processor is supported along with much later versions including quad core processors.

My processor was bought on ebay - the guy who sold it to me sent me the chip (no official box). it was litterally in a small piece of bubble wrap in a cardboard box - i can't trust it too much in all honesty.

I have posted a video on youtube explaining the problem and demonstraiting it - appologies for poor light. in the meantime i'll take your advice and try and get a mobo speaker.

[skaraphoid]

hi again. how we define CPU, Processor and RAM has no relevence on this thread tbh . seemed to be quite intense :P
wattage is fine. mobo requires at least 300 watt - supports my processor (checked on gigabyte website) and my PSU is earth watts 500 watt max

thanks rik and Albert Lionheart for your comments.

I've spoken to a computing friend (college course computing) and he works in a computer store, he told me that the processor i have is very durable - i've bought a new motherboard because There shouldn't be this much hassle for something so small.

I'll keep you updated on the new build. Once I do so i'll post the outcome.

ADVICE - - - -

NEVER buy hardware from ebay or other onlines places as such
It is far better buying from a company like ebuyer where you have garentuees at least. The shop i bought my mobo from would not let me buy componants without them being compatible.
so yeh these problems are hard to adjust if you do what i did.

Thanks people! great help - i'll still post back or edit this post

[Rik]

Originally Posted by skaraphoid

hello, it doesn't matter how we define CPU

Sorry, but I have to disagree with that. Giving components the correct name is absolutely critical for fault diagnosis.

[Daveskater]

If we are all defining things under different terms then it will make it very hard to communicate as we will say one thing and it could be interpreted incorrectly, which would hinder the troubleshooting process.

It's possible your CPU got some ESD damage in the packaging, however when I bought my CPU off of Ebuyer (OEM - not Retail) it came in a small cardboard box with some foam either side and it works absolutely fine.

I feel this question needs asking directly: Do you definitely have some RAM sticks installed? What make, speed and capacity are they?

[Albert Lionheart]

Originally Posted by skaraphoid

My processor was bought on ebay - the guy who sold it to me sent me the chip (no official box). it was litterally in a small piece of bubble wrap in a cardboard box - i can't trust it too much in all honesty.

the origin of the processor is a concern as we can mess about all we like with POST beeps and the like but if this is a lemon that explains why the thing won't boot. And without a known good CPU we don't even know if the motherboard is good either.
Sorry to be negative about this but a dead horse is a dead horse.

skaraphoid - have you had any of this kit working before now?

[skaraphoid]

Yes i have ram installed. i kinda feel i'm being talked down to.

It was a faulty motherboard - all my componants worked perfectly 2 years running up to new mobo and processor.

i bought a new processor from asus - cheaper model but newer supported all the same stuff. my pc works nicely now. thanks for all your help guys but when it comes to it, it's far morwe worth buying a new motherboard

the ram were 1gb 800's and the board i think supported 1066 or something. i've mentioned the procesor was e4600, a good model from the core 2 duo range.

but yeh, thanks for your help

[Daveskater]

Mate, I wasn't talking down to you, I just wanted to check because you haven't mentioned what RAM you have at any point until now, and you haven't filled in your system specs so I couldn't check that.

At least it's sorted now, though.

[skaraphoid]

i meant nothing by it


future tip for anyone wanting cheap upgrade
- go to a proper shop n(inc ebuyer) and not an online market place

i can updatemy system specs now anyway

[Gunner]

Caveat emptor.